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eafpres
eafpres
12/6/2012 6:04:24 PM
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Re: Workable but not sure about green
Hi Martin--I agree there may be lots of great applications.  My comment is reacting to the use of the term green in the article.  I see this tossed around everywhere these days.  Thanks for highlighting an interesting technology to watch for.

Blaine Bateman

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Martin Rowe
Martin Rowe
12/6/2012 5:36:41 PM
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Re: Workable but not sure about green
@eafpres, I don't think anyone would expect these devices to change our overall power consumption or make the world "greener." Rather, they might provide enough power to accomplish a small task like providing some charging capability or lighting some LEDs.

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eafpres
eafpres
12/6/2012 5:22:30 PM
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Workable but not sure about green
The energy has to come from somewhere.  Further, if you claim "greenness" then you need to take the entire product life cycle into account.  Already mentioned might be isues with Kapton; that is possibly overcome by engineering.  On the other hand, although this could be convenient, and even preferable for some applications, the potential in shoes might be limited.  I estimated:

Earth daily electricity consumption > 45B kWh (grabbed from internet)

Population of Earth ~ 7B (Google)

Consumption per person > 6 kWh/day

Output of pair of shoes continuously walking

Peak 8 mW/shoe (from chart); at walking pace 1.4 m/s, 0.9 m/step, 0.6 step/s or about 1.6 s/step (pace from Wiki article; my estimate of step length)

If the work is spread out over this period, then assume a triangle pulse of 1.6 s duration with peak at 8 mW, the area is 0.5*8*1.6 mW*s ~ 6 mWs/step

So we have 2 shoes * 6 mWs/step * 0.6 step/s = 7.2 mW average output at walking pace

Continuously walking for 10 hours/day would generate 72 mWh/day or 6*12*10-6 kWh/day

6*12*10-6 / 6 = 1.2 * 10-5 or about 10-3 percent of average power per person

 

Clearly this won't make a dent in energy consumption, and might be questionable once you take into account the carbon footprint and environmental impact of making said shoes with the TENG.

Convenient, useful?  Perhaps.  Green, let's hold back on that.

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EEBASK
EEBASK
12/6/2012 2:46:12 PM
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Re: No free energy
Martin, I dare to modify your expressions as:

Trust Wikipedia, but be careful; eventually compare data with other sources.

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EEBASK
EEBASK
12/6/2012 2:33:08 PM
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Re: Human Voltage Conversion
An interesting similarity arose here. TENG sounds similarly as TEG (ThermoElectric  Generator), which also could be used as energy harvester using the heat of  human body.

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Martin Rowe
Martin Rowe
12/6/2012 2:33:00 PM
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Re: No free energy
EEBASK,

Interesting note about Kapton. I'll look into it.

As editors we are told never to trust Wikipedia because anyone can write there. On the other hand, sites like this are mostly user-generated content. Go figure.

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EEBASK
EEBASK
12/6/2012 2:22:14 PM
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Re: No free energy
Martin, in Wikipedia you can read, that in some airplanes rewiring had to be made, and the cause was the Kapton insulation.

Kapton has excellent electrical properties, is flexible, but not so much wear-resistant.

Motion and vibrations in airplanes cause rubbing of densely packed leads and sometimes even disruption of the insulation and electrical shorts.

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Martin Rowe
Martin Rowe
12/3/2012 7:43:54 PM
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Re: TENG GENERATOR
Such an energy source should go right into a phone. After all, it's constantly in motion, except when people use for something called voice messaging. But why uses a phone for voice anymore, anyway?

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Martin Rowe
Martin Rowe
12/2/2012 12:49:27 AM
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Blogging about research
I enjoy writing about research such as this. If you hear of anything else that you think is applicable here, send us a note to editors@theconnectingedge.com and we'll do the digging. If you're a blogger, think about that for an upcoming blog.

 

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Martin Rowe
Martin Rowe
11/30/2012 11:08:51 AM
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Re: No free energy
EEBASK, I was not aware of the generic name of Kapton nor the environmental problems. Thanks for pointing them out.

Kapton, mentioned in the introductory article as an active part of a triboelectric harvesters; is a commercial name for polyimide, which suffers from high moisture absorption.

I worked with Kapton while working at the flex circuit factory. It was used to cover the etched circuit, with holes around the solder pads.

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